Exploring the Importance of Grip Strength for Overall Health and Longevity with Dr. Terry Zachary

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Hello, welcome to Health and Fitness Theory Defined. I'm your host, anthony Amen. Join me today as we could dive into the health and fitness movement and overcome adversity to pick back our addiction and see health and fitness in a whole new light. That was totally just all out there at once, really excited guys to talk about to today's guests, something that you wouldn't even think about. Hey, those are muscles in my body and I need to use it. I'm kind of speaking up totally off the cuff and just to brand up side note or something I noticed. I'm doing a lot of working with a photographer recently and we're trying to take pictures for branding and et cetera, et cetera. I think always want you to do bicep curls. It's always bicep curls, it's always something is like, for some reason that's working out. It's hey, this is a picture of me doing a barbell bicep curl. So I just thought that was pretty funny, talking about muscles that everybody hits. But today we're going to talk about the hands, how important they are, use them every single day, all the time. So I think it's important to talk about avoid some common injuries. I see especially carpal tunnel. So, without further ado, let's welcome today's guest, dr Terry. Zachary Terry, it's a pleasure to have you on today.

Hey Anthony, pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me on.

I don't know if you liked my little like imagery. It's always bicep curls when photographers taking pictures or you're doing promotions of gyms. I feel like that are battle ropes like pick one.

You know what? I think you gave a good introduction into what we're going to talk about today too, and why it's so unnoticed.

Yeah, cause you're not going to. I mean, how often do you see people doing hand exercises to promote a gym? Never, never, never, yeah, never. So with that, just a quick question for you. Just how did you get into working with the hands in the first place? What kind of skills.

You know, Anthony, it's a. It's not anything I really had picked out at any stretch, but I grew up a sports junkie and a grip was always something a grip a Canadian. So I grew up with hockey first and it was always grip strength. It was always important to win the puck battles and whatnot. And then later on I got into golf also, where strong hands are great benefit in many situations and you need to be able to actually relax your hands to hit a golf club, but you still need that hand strength to be in control of the golf club when you do relax. And then basketball was my probably final love, but golf one out when I got into college. So when I made my decision as far as my vocation, I loved the study, I love the increase intricacy of golf. So I started studying the body and it just it was a natural fit to go into sports chiropractic. But I never lost the dream of playing on the professional tour. And when I got into practice I decided, hmm, one last run at it. So I took three years off and played mini tours all over the States and a little bit in Canada, and I did not make the PJ tour, Anthony, just a little heads up, but I saw dozens and dozens of repetitive grip injuries which I had worked on in practice. For some reason, I took a real love towards it and I saw the flaws right away, and that led me to trying to figure out a way to exercise grip that wasn't demanding five, six, seven exercises, with two, three, four different items, and so I developed a product and then, as I got out of golf back into practice, we started to work with grip. Athletes, musicians, gamers, workplace injuries, hobbyists, you name it, anybody involved in grip and we've been at that for 15 plus years and I really know the insides of it and the outsides and I think it's hugely overlooked.

A very interesting story. I got to sorry talking to God. My first thought and this is where my brain goes is happy Gilmore.

Absolutely. Hey kids just saw happy Gilmore for the first time. They loved it. Well what?

a great, great movie, but I just that's my first mind went in. I couldn't agree more. Is group strength, please, such a pivotal role? Role in a lot of sports, especially anything at the whole, something like tennis or hockey, like you said, golf, like you said, and then there requires any kind of group strength to make a connection to a pole. So I totally get that. And then when you were talking a little bit about where it's utilized and the places that a lot of people see it just personally from a business standpoint, so not a lot of entrepreneurs that listen, but your dad told you when you were young is so true of grip strength to find your success.

It's actually really interesting and there's, you know, in our modern times, there's many studies. There's probably a half a dozen big studies that show that grip strength is directly correlated with like like, it's just interesting as we all know them. You know the more fit you are, the more active you are, the better blood flow, etc. You know you get muscles, muscle tone and muscle balance. It's helpful in so many ways. But you know a strong handshake is always something you know you kind of enjoy seeing you get a little bit of a feel for the person, and I think our fitness has many ways of speaking to our world for sure.

Yeah, we heard everything just minus grip. Strength is directly correlated to it. He just broke out for a second, so what was that?

Yeah, so there's been about. Well, there's five big studies and there's another one that they cited in the Washington Post in January about grip strength being directly correlated to lifelong Jevity Gotcha. So it I mean we could talk about that, but there's many reasons for it, but lots that we've discovered on our own. I was glad to see those studies because it makes sense to me.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I mean, if grip strength correlation doesn't be causation, as everyone knows, but if you correlate grip strength to being more successful which we've talked about briefly and then being successful correlates to longevity, because you have more access to healthcare and healthier options. So then you can say a plus B equals, like a equals B, then B equals C, then A equals C. So you have that direct line to it right there. And the second half of it, which is probably more relatable to the mass public, is we're turning more and more onto computers. Everyone has a desk job, most people, some people work from home, some people just go to a place just to sit in front of a computer. Everything is done there. Which carpal tunnel I know you mentioned briefly, but you'd I can't tell you and people have ten and I just carpal tunnel.

It's. It's an enormous, you know it's an enormous problem that we have and and we've we've actually had our. The product that I developed was used in a study to show how to reduce carpal tunnel and to actually reverse it. And and it's One of the things we've never looked at, anthony is like what is the carpal tunnel? How many people even know what the carpal tunnel is, what the structure is like, how do you make it thrive? And I can tell you it's easy to explain as we get into it, how to make the carpal tunnel thrive. But the only thing we know about the carpal tunnel is carpal tunnel syndrome. You know it's not a fun thing to talk about because you know usually you're past any kind of wellness situation, but it it, carpal tunnel is a direct reflection of imbalanced grip and imbalanced hand and grip muscles.

So let's start there right, because I mean tendonitis is, I Guess, the preliminary cause that's gonna eventually lead into carpal tunnel. Just what I what I know of it, but I want you to explain it a little better. So what are some signs, symptoms of Tendonitis leading into carpal tunnel syndrome, which then eventually people just leads into surgery? So it's a whole process.

Yeah, so. So, anthony, carpal tunnel syndrome is. It's not quite so simple as a tendonitis. It's, it's, there's many, it's kind of the it's almost a perfect storm. What happens first of all, though, is, if you can, I'll put my hand up so you can see as though. So, especially when we're gripping smaller items so somebody that knits, maybe an artist, somebody like that, smaller items, dental hygienists very common you see that the muscles that attach, the Opposition muscles of the thumb and the flexor muscles of the thumb, actually attach under the top of the carpal tunnel as well as on the other side, the Small flexor of the pinky and the opposer of the pinky attached there as well. So you could see that anytime I do that. If you look at the cleavage right there, you can see that carpal tunnel just shutting right now. It's. I mean, it's not that difficult to see what we need to do, and then, yet we've been taking stuff. You know, if we, we grip during our day, and then we, if we're gonna exercise, we often will take something and squeeze it more. It's like telling somebody with bad posture to slouch more, and that should work. It doesn't. It just doesn't work. So we, when we use the product, we have people close against a ball and then open and spread against the court. So now we train the Abductor, the spreading muscles, to be strong and now all of a sudden that supports the carpal tunnel. So basically, whatever we're doing in anything we're gonna have, you know we're gonna have repetitive imbalances in almost every activity we do during the day. We have to just acknowledge that and do something to oppose it so that we walk away in a strong, neutral position. And Carpal tunnel syndrome that's what we talk about a lot is your. You know If the muscles are closing. And, by the way, on the tendonitis to get back, you do have eight of the finger flexor tendons right coming through that carpal tunnel which is as big as your thumb. Basically, you know, and as we're gripping with those you know, especially when we're gripping in the carpal tunnel shot, and then if we put it in, if we put the wrist inflection, which is a lot of times, you know, poor ergonomic situation, then we have those flexor tendons. We also have a thumb Thumb flexor tendon going through that carpal tunnel. So you have nine tendons and if they're all flexing, especially if the wrist is flexed now, there's a great chance of causing A tendonitis within there, then you get the swelling and then we have real problems. But the other. The last thing I'll say about carpal tunnel syndrome Is when we, when we, when we respect the way that the carpal tunnel is built and we exercise Through a full range of motion, closing and opening the spreading, we also stimulate maximum blood flow, maximum lymph drainage. So the fluid flow through the carpal tunnel is also healthy, and so you need to maintain it. You need to maintain that carpal tunnel is wide as possible, make it thrive and Stimulate proper fluid flow through it, and that's how you keep it healthy. But if we're just going to take things and repetitively grip them and not do anything to offset that, we're going to keep on seeing it like we do.

Yeah, so it's poor ergonomics and it comes to typing on a computer and I know this might be a little mundane for people. But what is proper ergonomics?

Well, I say, actually that's a really good question For a, for a nerd like me that's been at this with the hand muscles for a long time. It's actually a really good question because we talk to people a lot. So ideally, when you approach a Computer, you want to have again I'm not sitting in a position where I could show it in the camera, but you'd like you want to have everything as neutral as possible. So your posture neutral. And then you want to have your forearm. I'm going to lift my shoulder, which isn't right, but if my shoulder was down here, I would like to see my forearms to be neutral. If I, if I'm flexed and we're talking about that problem, I told you we're going to have the tenons going through that carpal tunnel really at stress. But if I'm an extension, it's going to cause problems on the extensor side. Okay, so we want to be neutral, but that's usually where it stops, anthony, when we talk about ergonomics positioning. But I will remind you, is that You're now, when we're typing at a computer, you're not, you're neutral. But remember, gravity is trying to push your fingers down. So when I go to flex, the flexor muscles are actually going with gravity. But let's think of these extensor muscles are holding the fingers up the whole time as we're striking and holding, so the really your extensor surface is Contracting the whole time. When you're typing it's way more physical of a, of an, of an activity as we think it is. We think, ah, you're just typing, who cares? But you're actually, say, a keyboard player is the same as typing your palms down. So you're actually holding those fingers up the whole time, which affects the whole mechanics of the grip, because your hand opening muscles Support the muscles that flex when they get tired. You're gonna see the whole, the whole Kind of kinetic chain of grip breaks down. But you see a lot of tennis elbow and because of the flexion and tired flexion you you can definitely see some carpal tunnel as well.

Yeah, and I see it a lot in my industry. But people coming to me and you could take your finger, put it right, you top your form pushing. That's the most painful spot for people.

It's on the, you go into the extensor surface site anytime somebody does something, palm down, you can go. You know, if you, if you see a Pianist or somebody that's working on the computer a lot, or a gamer, you can come right up and even go into that lateral picon now and poke and they'll be. They'll be hot, as hot as anything, because they've been Statically contracting in their workplace or in their activity for so long. But they, they're not taking that it, that muscle, through its full range of motion. So how is it going to be? It's like holding a bicep. It's like holding a brick up like this and saying, well, what are you doing? I'm training my bicep. Well, no, you're not. You have to take it through its full range of motion If you want to train it properly. But when we're doing this, they'll hold, all the extensor muscles in the back of that forearm are just contracting statically.

So Besides overuse, what are some simple things that people can do to watch out for Carbottana syndrome or tendonitis?

Yeah, I think I think when we talk about anything in grip, I mean, I'm a big fan, I'm a big fan of exercise and a fitness, but you can't when, when some sometimes people say, well, I want, I want to be exercising, but it's that old scenario that you probably see, where the young kids go to the gym and they want to impress the girls with the big chest and then that's all they do, is they? You know, they do the chest and they do the biceps that you were talking about earlier, because that's what you know, that's what people can see, but often they will when they start, until they get, you know, until they see the imbalance, they won't do their back, they won't do their triceps as much. But that's one of the things I would say for anything grip wise. The big criticism is it used to be, you would take something and squeeze it. Okay, and that's through the time that I spent on the, on the professional golf tours. These guys who are gripping all the time would either do nothing for their hand exercise, so you for their, for their hand muscle strength and health, they would either do nothing or they would were taking something and squeezing it. When you ask about how do you maintain this area? We have to get out of this mentality. You talk about fitness redefined, which I again. I love the brand because this fits. I mean, this is just, we're perfect for that because we have to redefine hand exercise. If we continue to do this, you'll continue to end up in offices like mine where we're we're working on these problems that were completely preventable. So we have to look at what grip is. We have to understand it. Grip is nine muscles that close the hand, supported by those nine muscles that open the hand, that are located generally in the back, but there's actually also, anthony, the. There's nine muscles that control the position of your wrist and forearm as well, that have to be trained. So we have to learn that that hand exercise is training the muscles that close, training the muscles that open and Then training the forearm muscles as well. And the product we developed. We have an exercise called a figure eight exercise when, instead of getting an athlete a busy athlete or a busy musician or busy worker To have a bunch of stuff laying around, we just have them close against the, the ball of the product, open and spread against the cord of the product and, while their hands open. They will go through a figure eight motion that couples deflection, the extension, the pronation, the supination and the lateral and the lateral and medial deviation of the wrist. So we're able to train that whole thing Just like we would do any other area of your body. If you're gonna do chest, you would do back, you're gonna do biceps, you do triceps. Well, we're saying with grip is a little bit unique. You have to train the muscles of clothes and the muscles that open because they're all being used, and then you have to train those Forearm muscles. So at the end of the day you walk away strong and balanced.

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Yeah, very interesting question. So, Anthony, what I would say to that is that your grip position is it's a very appropriate question for what we just talked about because your grip position, grip, is not just the fingers, it is. So we used to think the grip is just my finger flexors. I grab here, that's all I have to worry about. But if I grab here, the way that the mechanics and the kinetic chain of grip is, is when I'm gripping this, my fingers, my finger extensor muscles are contracting statically. It's a co-contraction. So when I grip this, if my finger, if everything was loose back here, I just grip it and there would be nothing back there. Okay, so it's a co-contraction. So every time you grip, your finger, flexor muscles are grabbing, yes, your thumb muscles, we can see that. But what we don't recognize is these are also Contracting to your finger extensor muscles and they attach at that lateral, at the lateral elbow. Okay, so we're creating static Muscles back here that are eventually going to cause problems think tennis elbow, think some of the forearm extensor tendonitis and wrist extensor tendonitis. So that's the first thing I would say. Is that Now? The second thing I would say is that whenever we grip something, now, all of a sudden, it's the position of the forearm is going to stress different muscles in our forearm. So you talked about if I'm gripping front or if I'm gripping back. We're just going to isolate different muscles in the forearm and that's why I say grip is 27 muscles. It's the nine that close, it's the nine that open and it's the nine in your forearm, forearm and elbow that control the position of your wrist. So as you're changing around, as you're moving around, that's what's going to change the muscles that you work. But in the long term, how do we want your grip muscles to be? How do we want those 27 muscles to be? We want them to be strong, strong and long and balanced, okay. So the reason I like that question so much Is that you're asking about different wrist positions. When, as we grip, you know we can be neutral, we can be more into what I would call supination or we can be more into what I call pronation. It's going to stress different areas of the wrist, forearm and elbow. Just like I used to treat hockey players like crazy when we first started out. They would have certain wrist injuries because of the lie of their hockey stick. Okay, that they would favor certain wrist areas and pretty soon that wrist area gets overworked and they have problems. We would start to train them by say hey, billy, if you're gonna play a hockey You're gonna have that angle of your wrist. At the end of the day You're gonna have to do an exercise that rebalances that. Okay, just like a. I'll say what's a good example? A guitar player. Guitar player has a certain position of their wrist all the time too, and if that's all they do is play guitar, at the end of the day they're gonna have shortened muscles on that side of their wrist and that's gonna be an imbalanced wrist. They're gonna have injuries, just injuries, and all these repetitive grip activities. So at the end of the day, we just have to acknowledge that any grip is gonna be in imbalance. We have to train the grip through full range of motion the nine that closed, the nine that open and the nine that support the wrist. So it doesn't matter your activity. If I'm in the gym and I have and I'm grabbing some grabbing a bar, and that's gonna be my resistance, I have to recognize that I'm closing that hand all the time. Okay, and I have to recognize that that forearms gonna be in a certain position all the time and, as I do that, day in, day out, which is great for the rest of your body, okay, the hands are gonna build into a repetitive grip injury. The wrists are gonna build into this to the imbalance that you're asking it to do every day. We have to train those 27 muscles through a full range of motion so that we walk away from the gym With a strong, healthy body with good blood flow, but also a strong, healthy hands, wrist forearms, elbows, carpal tunnels, etc. So the body can walk away looking good and balanced. And I'm such a fitness fan I just have to. If you're gonna, if you're gonna have a long, healthy life where you're productive, you have to stay in shape. But what happens at the end of the day is we'll usually get these almost Lego hand looking things Because we forget who cares about the balance of the hands, though. We care about the balance of the hands because that par lays into finger and thumb and wrist and carpal tunnel and elbow problems. So that's the thing we want to talk to you about. No matter how you're gripping, you have, you're always gripping, and so you have to do something to walk away with those hand muscles strong and balanced.

I think I want to talk about two common injuries. That well, one's not so common, one's super common, besides what we mentioned previously. The first one's trigger finger. You hear that word thrown around a lot. I've seen a couple clients with it. But for those that don't know, first off, what is trigger finger, what causes it and what can we do to help get rid of it?

Yeah, it's not such an easy one to deal with, but I can tell you, in general, trigger finger comes a lot when we have some type of. I will say, at some point you're going to get some type of a nodule. Now it can be from a. There's lots of theories about it. There's theories is it hereditary? Where you get like a Palmer-Fasciitis situation where the palms have nodules, basically. But when you get a slight nodule it could be from a micro, from a micro injury that actually repairs and it's fibrotic and then eventually the flexor tendon will not be able to go through the hood anymore and that flexor will be trapped into a flexion situation. Okay, it'll happen with the fingers. It's common with Palmer-Fasciitis, which is deputurine's contract. Deputurine's contracture is what it's called the situation. But when there's a trigger finger and it's an active trigger finger, a couple of things, those are ones I don't recommend. Surgery is a first option very often, but sometimes if the nodule's been built, that nodule's going to have to be removed. And then we again ask the question how did it get to be that way? That's the thing and when we're looking for, even in a deputurine situation, the body works best when you get, when you take it through its full natural range of motion and what that means. What I mean by that, anthony, to explain that, comment out a little more is that when I take the hand through its full natural range of motion, my body says, hey, terry's now taking his hand through that full range of motion. I'm going to. I better open up blood flow, open up lymph drainage and make that area really efficient, because our body will adapt to it, to the environment we give it every day. And in a deputurine's contraction situation, which is a palmar fasciitis, then I like to see nice blood flow. Again, you talked about diet and stuff like that. I like to see good diet, make sure good nutrients are coming there, making sure breathing is nice and healthy so you're getting no oxygen, and then full range of motion exercises so the body can naturally get the proper nutrients there and get the waste and byproducts out of there. So, but for the trigger finger itself, if there's a nodule, a lot of times it has to go to a surgery, get the nodule taken out it's not a difficult surgery and then again get back to properly taking care of the hand so these things don't reoccur.

Yeah, and then kind of related, which was my second one, which I don't know if it's overly common. I'm pretty sure it's genetic, but I don't know if there's a way to prevent it. I don't know the proper name, but it's called biking syndrome, If you've heard of that. So the hands come and they're here and they get stuck and they can't open the hands whatsoever. I have a couple of clients that had it Okay and some were in dentistry. So I really think that was a common cause of it was dentistry being ganking things out in that grip, but they can't move their hands like a kid. For those that are listening to audio, basically just your hands are flexed and over time they come together as a solely percent. You don't think about it. If not, it's okay, it's tough.

No, no, it's a I don't run into too many terms that I haven't heard of. So I'm always, we're always learning. So I don't know that term specifically, but again I would venture to guess I'm trying to think of how I can set an analogy. Somebody say, when you're riding on a motorbike all day, if I rode on a motorbike all day and pretty soon I take my hands off, well it's hard to, it's hard to straighten your hands back out because your body has been. Why would your body be efficient through its full range of motion? Because you've been holding a motorbike handles all day. So I don't know that. I've ever heard that description of it, which is always interesting to me. But the Viking syndrome or condition, I have to think it's again a repetitive grip situation. We see many variations of that and but yet I'll take it to even something that would be very familiar to you, anthony, again, and I'll take it to that, to the kid that comes in and he works. He works the chest and he's doing butterflies all day and that's, and the chest is getting good and solid but he doesn't do anything to oppose it. Well, he's going to come in with a, I guess, basic Viking formation where he's going to be flexed until he feels the ribs and the blowback and everything have problems. That's my guess on it. I'd love to research it more. But anytime that we see the body's not going through its full range of motion, that's usually an adaptation Okay, and it's an adaptation to poor physical habits usually, and nothing done to understand the area to offset the habit. Just like a golfer we professional golfers you can tell if you look at all the professional golfers on TV, most of them, if they're a left-handed golfer, will have the left-handed, the left shoulder low and if they're right-handed golfer, they'll have the right shoulder low. They've adapted into their repetition and that's what I see commonly in dentists, or dentists is one of the most common repetitive grip injury fields Dental hygienists actually the most, where you see career ends. The careers end well before, not by choice, but because of injury, because of all this repetitive gripping and posture problems. So these are things that we have to understand what is neutral in the body, which we generally do with the spine, but with the hands it's like we've forgotten about them and if I'm going to be repetitive gripping, I can tell you you're going to run into problems eventually and you're also running into performance problems day in, day out. So you want to keep your body thriving. So if those 27 muscles in that kinetic chain of grip are all healthy and long and strong, with good blood flow, boom, you're going to be a better guitar player, a better dental hygienist, a better golfer, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, better gamer. So we want to tell people the hands are no different than any other part of your body. You have to understand them and you have to realize when you're doing repetition that's going to bring you into imbalance, and then you either quit or you do something to offset them. And we're saying here's some easy way to offset them.

Love it. I'm going to ask you more of a fun question, because it's every parent's worst nightmare Cracking of the knuckles, good, bad.

Poor man, we're getting into that. Well, what do I think? You know, you, you, there's never a reason to really, I'll say, pop a joint or let the gas go out of the knuckles, unless you're making a correction. Okay, so that's always good. Now that's you're getting into chiropractic questions here. But if there's not, you'll see that every time that it gets the gas releases from a joint and there's, there's studies a long time back that show that you will have an endorphin release when that happens. So an endorphin release. So people say, oh man, that feels better, that feels better, but at the end of the day it's. The other thing is we're not trying to jump to feel better. Okay, you can go out and have a beer if you want to feel better. What we're trying to do in chiropractic is bring the body into alignment, into stability. So with any kind of um, when there's a release of that gas for the joint, you're going to get an endorphin release. So it might feel better, even if you bring it into imbalance. You see what I mean. So if it, but if you bring it into imbalance, you're going to eventually notice a problem. What we're trying to do is when we adjust the joint, it has to be corrective. You know we don't just pop a joint just for oh, that'll feel better. It will feel better in the short term because of the endorphins.

Yeah, I love it. So, Terry, I'm going to ask you the final questions. I ask everybody on this show, just to wrap things up. The first one if you were to summarize this episode in one or two sentences, what would be your take home message?

My take home message is treat, treat grip like any other part of your body. Uh, you're, don't allow your body to get into imbalance. Treat grip like any other part of your body. It's just a more complicated area because 27 muscles rather than biceps, triceps, two muscle groups. We have to pay attention because we use in our hands all the time, but we have to keep them strong, long and balanced, with good blood flow.

I love it and the easiest question of all how can people find you and get a hold of you and give yourself a stop?

Yeah, they can go to. Our website is docsaccom D-O-C-Z-A-C dot com and my email the email that would get to me if there's any questions is info at docsaccom and I answer all the questions that come to me, especially if they're related to mechanics or health questions or fitness questions. I love it, dr Terry.

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